Comments on: Hidden History http://www.nli.ie/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/hidden-history/ Blog Wed, 24 Apr 2013 04:48:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Bean an Phoist http://www.nli.ie/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/hidden-history/#comment-5152 Bean an Phoist Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:57:10 +0000 http://www.nli.ie/blog/?p=1718#comment-5152 Thank you very much, Paul, for this extra information! Love the detail about 'strolling'... Thank you very much, Paul, for this extra information! Love the detail about ‘strolling’…

]]> By: Paul Streumer http://www.nli.ie/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/hidden-history/#comment-5150 Paul Streumer Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:19:52 +0000 http://www.nli.ie/blog/?p=1718#comment-5150 It is a fascinating story, and I am grateful to Eimear, Tom and Martha to add all these details. There is a description extant by Lord Byron of an evening meal at Edward and Olivia's residence. He mentioned that Edward had 'a terrible anomalous complaint', which unfortunately leaves us none the wiser. His daughter Adelaide indeed went to Canada with her husband, but only after they had been from 1861-1866 in New South Wales. There are several portraits of them in Australia. About the 'Indian'son, I have devoted a large part of my forthcoming (Q2 2013) book to him and his 1872 Descriptive Ethnology of Bengal. His book was widely quoted even in official sources till well into the 1910s; and in one Gazetteer even in 1958! Edward Tuite Dalton had no issue, and died 30 December 1880 in Cannes, while he was 'strolling'. It is a fascinating story, and I am grateful to Eimear, Tom and Martha to add all these details. There is a description extant by Lord Byron of an evening meal at Edward and Olivia’s residence. He mentioned that Edward had ‘a terrible anomalous complaint’, which unfortunately leaves us none the wiser. His daughter Adelaide indeed went to Canada with her husband, but only after they had been from 1861-1866 in New South Wales. There are several portraits of them in Australia. About the ‘Indian’son, I have devoted a large part of my forthcoming (Q2 2013) book to him and his 1872 Descriptive Ethnology of Bengal. His book was widely quoted even in official sources till well into the 1910s; and in one Gazetteer even in 1958! Edward Tuite Dalton had no issue, and died 30 December 1880 in Cannes, while he was ‘strolling’.

]]> By: Martha B. http://www.nli.ie/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/hidden-history/#comment-3151 Martha B. Tue, 12 Jun 2012 02:09:34 +0000 http://www.nli.ie/blog/?p=1718#comment-3151 Hi Tom, Did you know you have distant cousins here in Canada through Olivia's brother, John Andrew Stevenson, who came to Canada with the 99th Infantry to fight in the Loyalist War of 1812? Or that Olivia's daughter, Adelaide Dalton, lived in Canada from 1868 to 1872, when her husband Lord Lisgar was second Governor General of Canada? Happy to fill you in further on the accomplished descendants of John Andrew Stevenson here in Canada. If interested, our email is: schuylergrant@yahoo.com Martha Hi Tom,
Did you know you have distant cousins here in Canada through Olivia’s brother, John Andrew Stevenson, who came to Canada with the 99th Infantry to fight in the Loyalist War of 1812? Or that Olivia’s daughter, Adelaide Dalton, lived in Canada from 1868 to 1872, when her husband Lord Lisgar was second Governor General of Canada? Happy to fill you in further on the accomplished descendants of John Andrew Stevenson here in Canada. If interested, our email is: schuylergrant@yahoo.com
Martha

]]> By: Tom Tuite Dalton http://www.nli.ie/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/hidden-history/#comment-1692 Tom Tuite Dalton Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:24:48 +0000 http://www.nli.ie/blog/?p=1718#comment-1692 Hi Eimear Thanks very much indeed for all this info much of which was new to me especially regarding the theatre. A cousin of mine, Katie Tuite Dalton did her dissertation on Edward T-D who wrote the book on "The Ethnology of Bengal" when she was studying at Swansea and it was her father Philip who had the theory about Frances Tuite marrying Philip Dalton. It was very interesting to hear about the theatre and about how Olivia died. Unfortunately I could not get access to the descriptions in old houses re-storied as the site did not appear to be open to individuals but will think of something. Thank you once again. I have been to Headfort once and wandered around the grounds. I very much look forward to seeing the collection once it is fully catalogued. kind regards, Tom Hi Eimear
Thanks very much indeed for all this info much of which was new to me especially regarding the theatre. A cousin of mine, Katie Tuite Dalton did her dissertation on Edward T-D who wrote the book on “The Ethnology of Bengal” when she was studying at Swansea and it was her father Philip who had the theory about Frances Tuite marrying Philip Dalton. It was very interesting to hear about the theatre and about how Olivia died. Unfortunately I could not get access to the descriptions in old houses re-storied as the site did not appear to be open to individuals but will think of something. Thank you once again. I have been to Headfort once and wandered around the grounds. I very much look forward to seeing the collection once it is fully catalogued. kind regards, Tom

]]> By: Bean an Phoist http://www.nli.ie/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/hidden-history/#comment-1626 Bean an Phoist Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:53:56 +0000 http://www.nli.ie/blog/?p=1718#comment-1626 Now Tom, this reply from Eimear should be of some help to you: Hi Tom, It’s so great to hear from an actual descendant of the Tuite-Daltons! There is so much I’m learning about your fascinating family history that it is hard to put it all down in one go but I’ll try and answer the points you have queried. So your great-great-great-grandfather, Edward Tuite Dalton was the son of Edward Dalton (born c. 1746) and Frances Tuite. To maintain property rights for the two families, they merged their names to Tuite-Dalton. They had two sons Philip and Edward (b. 1783) who both went to Trinity and it is this younger son, Edward, who is your direct ancestor. I’m afraid I don’t have any information on them converting from Catholicism to the Church of Ireland. See the following for a brief outline of your family tree: http://www.swan.ac.uk/visualanthropology/projects/003_Dalton/index.htm Edward was never a land agent at Headfort but his son Gustavus was, because Gustavus’s stepfather was Lord Headfort. Edward apparently worked in the Customs House and was an accomplished music composer. For general information on your family history please see the following website: http://www.daltondatabank.org/Chronicles/Tuite-Dalton1.htm. Edward was indeed the founder of a theatre company called the Dublin Glee Club. He founded it in 1813 and it was patronised by the Duke of Leinster and the Earl of Meath. There are great descriptions in an article called ‘Old Houses Re-Storied Part II’, which describe Edward and his future in-laws, namely Sir John Stevenson (your great-great-great-great-grandfather who you will find on Wikipedia!) and Edward’s wife-to-be, Olivia (your great-great-great-grandmother). It’s here at: http://tinyurl.com/7uq5vc3. Edward and his father-in-law, Sir John Stevenson, were very close friends of the poet Thomas Moore and there are many letters to both of them in Moore’s published letters, which you can find online. He also dedicated many of his poems to the Edward and Olivia, namely ‘Sacred Songs’ and ‘Rhymes on the Road’. Unfortunately I had no luck finding out how Edward died, though I do know he was born in 1783, married Olivia on 20 March 1810, and died in 1821. I did, however, find an obituary from 1834 for Olivia, by then the Marchioness of Headfort, which states that she died in this year of cholera at the age of 44. In our collection here in the National Library we have many letters and a few photos of your ancestors, which will be soon made available to the public when the Headfort collection is fully catalogued, so when it is please do come in and view your wonderful heirlooms! Eimear Now Tom, this reply from Eimear should be of some help to you:

Hi Tom,

It’s so great to hear from an actual descendant of the Tuite-Daltons! There is so much I’m learning about your fascinating family history that it is hard to put it all down in one go but I’ll try and answer the points you have queried.

So your great-great-great-grandfather, Edward Tuite Dalton was the son of Edward Dalton (born c. 1746) and Frances Tuite. To maintain property rights for the two families, they merged their names to Tuite-Dalton. They had two sons Philip and Edward (b. 1783) who both went to Trinity and it is this younger son, Edward, who is your direct ancestor. I’m afraid I don’t have any information on them converting from Catholicism to the Church of Ireland. See the following for a brief outline of your family tree: http://www.swan.ac.uk/visualanthropology/projects/003_Dalton/index.htm

Edward was never a land agent at Headfort but his son Gustavus was, because Gustavus’s stepfather was Lord Headfort. Edward apparently worked in the Customs House and was an accomplished music composer. For general information on your family history please see the following website: http://www.daltondatabank.org/Chronicles/Tuite-Dalton1.htm.

Edward was indeed the founder of a theatre company called the Dublin Glee Club. He founded it in 1813 and it was patronised by the Duke of Leinster and the Earl of Meath. There are great descriptions in an article called ‘Old Houses Re-Storied Part II’, which describe Edward and his future in-laws, namely Sir John Stevenson (your great-great-great-great-grandfather who you will find on Wikipedia!) and Edward’s wife-to-be, Olivia (your great-great-great-grandmother). It’s here at: http://tinyurl.com/7uq5vc3.

Edward and his father-in-law, Sir John Stevenson, were very close friends of the poet Thomas Moore and there are many letters to both of them in Moore’s published letters, which you can find online. He also dedicated many of his poems to the Edward and Olivia, namely ‘Sacred Songs’ and ‘Rhymes on the Road’.

Unfortunately I had no luck finding out how Edward died, though I do know he was born in 1783, married Olivia on 20 March 1810, and died in 1821. I did, however, find an obituary from 1834 for Olivia, by then the Marchioness of Headfort, which states that she died in this year of cholera at the age of 44.

In our collection here in the National Library we have many letters and a few photos of your ancestors, which will be soon made available to the public when the Headfort collection is fully catalogued, so when it is please do come in and view your wonderful heirlooms!

Eimear

]]> By: Tom Tuite Dalton http://www.nli.ie/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/hidden-history/#comment-1500 Tom Tuite Dalton Thu, 08 Mar 2012 20:11:27 +0000 http://www.nli.ie/blog/?p=1718#comment-1500 Thanks very much and very kind of you. I believe Edward was a part owner of a Dublin theatre at one time, not sure if that was before he was a land agent at Headfort. We are also not sure at what point the Tuite married the Dalton and when they went from being catholic to being Church of Ireland. Thanks very much and very kind of you. I believe Edward was a part owner of a Dublin theatre at one time, not sure if that was before he was a land agent at Headfort. We are also not sure at what point the Tuite married the Dalton and when they went from being catholic to being Church of Ireland.

]]> By: Bean an Phoist http://www.nli.ie/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/hidden-history/#comment-1067 Bean an Phoist Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:24:19 +0000 http://www.nli.ie/blog/?p=1718#comment-1067 It's brilliant, Tom, that we've uncovered new information for you! I'll pass your comment on to Eimear Walsh, who wrote this post, in case she knows how Edward died... It’s brilliant, Tom, that we’ve uncovered new information for you! I’ll pass your comment on to Eimear Walsh, who wrote this post, in case she knows how Edward died…

]]> By: Tom Tuite Dalton http://www.nli.ie/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/hidden-history/#comment-1002 Tom Tuite Dalton Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:06:45 +0000 http://www.nli.ie/blog/?p=1718#comment-1002 Intriguing. Gustavus is my direct ancestor, my great great grandfather. I am keen to find out how his father Edward died and who is parents were. We know he went to Trinity but you have already uncovered a lot of new information for us. Olivia died young too; i think she may have fallen from a horse. I would be fascinated to see more of your manuscripts. Thank you very much for welcoming the TDs back to their rightful place!! Intriguing. Gustavus is my direct ancestor, my great great grandfather. I am keen to find out how his father Edward died and who is parents were. We know he went to Trinity but you have already uncovered a lot of new information for us. Olivia died young too; i think she may have fallen from a horse.
I would be fascinated to see more of your manuscripts. Thank you very much for welcoming the TDs back to their rightful place!!

]]> By: · Ruth’s Recommendations http://www.nli.ie/blog/index.php/2011/09/22/hidden-history/#comment-103 · Ruth’s Recommendations Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:53:43 +0000 http://www.nli.ie/blog/?p=1718#comment-103 [...] NLI Blog had a post called Hidden History written by Eimear Walsh a NLI Manuscript Student. She is working on the papers for the Headfort [...] [...] NLI Blog had a post called Hidden History written by Eimear Walsh a NLI Manuscript Student. She is working on the papers for the Headfort [...]

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